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I don't know how to say precisely what I mean. You are saying it clearly to me. And I agree with you. only having a lover's quarrel I like that. My experience is that God would much prefer to have a "quarrel" with us than to have us ignore God (however defined) or to be in ignorance of Go...

Intriguing post! Thanks. It is increasingly apparent to me that, quite literally, we observe and experience from where we stand, precisely because our reality is a projection of ourselves. The outer is the inner seen outerly. The only way to change what we observe and experience is to change ourselv...

At this point in this thread, the topic split a little to include a discussion of prayer. That part of it seemed to me to be of general interest, not requiring the "protection" provided by The Sand Box, and so I have split the prayer-related posts to a thread labeled "Prayer" in ...

As some of you will have noticed, The Zoo Fence website (zoofence.com and zoofence.org), including TZF's Open Forum, was inaccessible much of yesterday and today (January 3 and 4). Our domain host, OLM, experienced technical problems which took longer than expected to resolve. I regret the inconveni...

Welcome to TZF. Interesting post. You wrote, "I see Self, the so called "I am" as the operating system software, the basic platform for all other programs". The question that arises in my mind is, who is speaking? Who is the "I" that sees the Self? Where I read Self wit...

A few minutes ago, ihavesayso sent me the following line discovered somewhere by his daughter ... The one that recognizes the illusion does not act as if it is real. Last evening, before retiring, I happened to read from Yogananda's translation/commentary of the Gita, where I came across his observa...

Nicely said.

Among my favorite Gospels passages is John 8.21: "Where I am going, you cannot come".

Why not? Because "where I am going" there is no "you"!

Extesive studying, lately, in the writings of such amazing persons as Loren Eiseley, Stephen Hawking and Carl Sagan As I see it, here’s the thing to remember about that. Much as I share your admiration for these writers, particularly Stephen Hawking, the fact surely is that “Stephen Hawking”, like ...

Here are a few lines from Nisargadatta on the subject of what is imaginary: The outer self and the inner both are imagined. The obsession of being an “I” needs another obsession with a “super-I” to get cured, as one needs another thorn to remove a thorn, or another poison to neutralize a poison. All...

A couple of days ago, TZF’s good friend ihavesayso sent me an email message sharing some of his reactions to Robert Lanza’s article which appears at TZF’s Ampers&nd . I liked what he said, and how it got me to thinking, so, with his permission, I am posting some of it here, followed by some of m...

Interesting stuff. It would never, however, occur to him to discuss the nature of the "god" who controls the crops and demands the goat. He would not sit around the cave discussing it with his peers. It is simply, A --> B; you sacrifice the goat, you get crops. He believes in the god. I wo...

Anyway, I am getting the message: Art, you are kidding yourself about being any distance along a spiritual path at all. When the chips are down, you panic. Art, jenjulian is quite right. Don't judge yourself so harshly; heck, don't judge yourself at all. You don't have the perspective to judge your...

A while ago, TZF’s good friend ihavesayso called our attention to an interesting conversation about “nothingness” going on here – a conversation in which he plays an intriguing part. I recommend it to all. Coincidentally ... (whatever that word means – the longer I travel this path, the more apparen...

It sounds like a good read. Thanks for the suggestion. I will look for the book. He is … trying in this book to "uncover the origins of this remarkable family of phenomena that mean so much to so many people, and to discuss why -- and how -- they have commanded allegiance, become so potent, and...